Welcome to A Date With Darkness Podcast. This podcast is dedicated to those who have been hurt by love and abuse, through their relationships with narcissistic people. The purpose of the podcast is to deepen the understanding of hurtful and traumatic relationships which have been a source of unspoken pain and trauma. In the episodes, I will be chatting with various experts in various fields to provide education, tips, resources, and information for those who are survivors of abusive relationships. I will combine my expertise of forensics, domestic violence, and work in various mental health fields to have an intimate discussion with you about abusive relationships, characteristics of dangerous and manipulative people, how to move beyond the victim role, learn to love and heal from the wounds of toxic relationships. If you have a question about the podcast or you want to get in touch with me directly, please feel free to email me at [email protected] Thank you so much for listening!

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58. Learning to Heal From Narcissistic Abuse and the Nice Girl Syndrome, Featuring Beverly Engel, LMFT

Author and psychotherapist Beverly Engel, LMFT joins us today, to discuss her experience in working with abuse victims. Beverly has been in practice for over 40 years and has written over 23 books about abuse. She joins us today to discuss her recently released books, and offers suggestions on how abuse impacts us, when our trauma becomes pathological, and why self-compassion is so important.

Connect with Beverly Engel, LMFT at: https://www.beverlyengel.com


The Nice Girl Syndrome: Stop Being Manipulated and Abused and Start Standing Up for Yourself

The Emotionally Abused Woman: Overcoming Destructive Patterns and Reclaiming Yourself

I’m Saying No!: Standing Up To Sexual Assault, Sexual Harrassment, And Sexual Pressure

It Wasn’t Your Fault: Freeing Yourself From the Shame of Childhood Abuse With the Power of Self-Compassion

The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing


57. The Highly Sensitive Person: Featuring Patricia Young LCSW

Patricia Young LCSW joins us today to discuss what it means to be a highly sensitive person. Highly sensitive people are more receptive to the surroundings and because of this – can be the subject of scrutiny from toxic people. Patricia helps us to understand how we can determine whether we are highly sensitive, and how you can utilize your sensitivity as a strength. She also talks about her own struggle with being a HSP.

Connect with Patricia Young, LCSW at: http://www.unapologeticallysensitive.com


Dr. Elaine Aron https://hsperson.com/


56. Fatherless Daughters: Finding Inner Peace Without Your Father on Father’s Day and Beyond

Today’s podcast is dedicated to women who have lost their fathers. This podcast reflects on the types of loss, the impact of losing a father, and how to cope with the loss of your father.


The Fatherless Daughter Project: Understanding Our Losses and Reclaiming Our Lives, by Denna Babul and Karin Luise

On Grief and Grieving: Finding the Meaning of Grief Through The Five Stages of Loss, by Elizabeth Kubler Ross, MD and David Kessler 


55. Inner Bonding: Featuring Dr. Margaret Paul, PhD.

Dr. Margaret Paul, Phd joins us to discuss inner bonding, a self-healing technique used to conquer feelings of shame and abandonment. Dr. Paul tells us the importance of bonding with ourselves and connecting our feelings and how our ability to do so  impacts both our lifestyle and our ability to connect with others. She shares the steps of inner bonding, and discusses how her own personal journey changed after she was able to effectively execute the technique.

Connect with Dr. Margaret Paul: www.innerbonding.com


The Inner Bonding Workbook, By Dr. Maurgaret Paul 

Inner Bonding: Becoming a Loving Adult To Your Inner Child, by Dr. Margaret Paul

Diet For Divine Connection: Beyond Junk Foods and Junk Thoughts to At-Will Spiritual Connection, by Dr. Margaret Paul

Healing Your Aloneness, Finding Love and Wholeness Through Your Inner Child by Dr. Margaret Paul


54. Exploring the Relational Concerns of Single Parent Homes: Featuring Dr. Earl Turner, Phd

Dr. Earl Turner, Phd joins us to discuss his research on single-parent homes, how oppositional behaviors develop in children, and how parents select role models for appropriate behaviors in relationships. Also, he discussed the impact that the quality of the parents relationship have on the children. He surprisingly revealed that concerns with opposite sex role models are not as common. We discuss the implications that may have on young children developing healthy relationships with opposite sex adults and so much more.

Connect with Dr. Earl: http://www.drerlangerturner.com/


53. Couples Counseling Dilemma: Exploring Counseling When Your Partner is Narcissistic: Featuring Ernesto Segismundo, LMFT

Ernesto Segismundo Jr., LMFT and owner of CAV Family Therapy joins us on the couch today and discusses the ever popular question: should you explore couples counseling if your partner is narcissistic? Ernesto discusses how he works with couples when one partner is narcissistic, using positive psychology treatment modality. He also explains the spectrum of narcissism, and when therapy for the couple is not recommended.

To contact Ernesto Segismudo Jr., LMFT visit:

CAV Family Therapy


52. Coping With Your Pain on Mother’s Day

This episode is dedicated to those who don’t have a relationship with their mother, or their relationship with their mother is toxic. I discuss how to cope with the pain of Mother’s Day. We review several basic and advanced coping skills for dealing with the pain that arises on this day.


51. Relationships vs Situationships: Signs That Yours Teen’s Relationship is Unhealthy: Featuring Marline Francois-Madden, LCSW

Marline Francois-Madden, LCSW joins us on the couch today and she discusses the importance of parents educating their teenagers about healthy and abusive relationships. Marline discusses why parents should be involved in their child’s dating life, recognize the signs of violence with their teen, and also offers her perspective on what healthy boundaries look like between parents and teenagers.

Contact Marline Francois-Madden, LCSW www.marlinefrancois.com







Boundaries: When To Say Yes, How to Say No by Henry Cloud and John Townsend


50. How Describing Black Girls “Fast” and “Grown” Does More Harm Than Good: Featuring Jaynay Johnson LMFT

Jaynay Johnson, LMFT owner of Teen Talk Therapy joins us on the couch to discuss her passion for working with teenage girls of color. Jaynay discusses the importance of spending quality time with teenage girls and discussing relationships and feelings that young girls can experience while dating. More importantly, Jaynay educates on why calling young black girls “fast” and “grown” for having intimate feelings towards someone does more harm than good

Contact Jaynay Johnson, LMFT at: www.teentherapytalk.com


49. How to Start Dating Again After Leaving a Toxic Relationship: Featuring Marquita Johnson, LPC

A Date With Darkness Podcast is hosted by Dr. Natalie Jones, Psyd., LPCC, a licensed psychotherapist in California. Join Dr. Jones for an intimate discussion about the effects of abuse dynamics and healing from relationship trauma.

Marquita Johnson, LPC and owner of Millennial Dating Coach joins us on the couch today to discuss how we can get ourselves back into the dating pool after leaving an emotionally unhealthy relationship. Marquita discusses manifesting, and how the energy you put out into the universe will draw in a partner. She gives us the breakdown on dating sites and apps that she finds useful. Marquita also gives her advice on things we can do to screen out manipulative and untrustworthy partner potentials while dating.

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Clover app


To contact Marquita Johnson, LPC visit: Millennial Dating Coach